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Rob Y · Joined: 15 May 2005 Posts: 738

This is all assembled from insight and clarity from khu, ghorsche, and twisted logic... so if it's wrong, blame them.

Yes, I am stranded and lost. I know that now. At least I know Rachel is safe. But here is what I remember.

+ I came home from an event about 10:00. Shortly after I got home, the police called to tell me that Rachel had been shot.

+ According to the police, her ex-boyfriend had attended a party with a gun. Aaron, a friend of Rachels, walked up to confront him. The gunman fired a shot which wounded Aaron severely. Aaron's friend Abe rushed the gunman, but the gunman fired and hit Abe squarely in the chest. Abe died instantly. The gunman reloaded his shotgun with two more shells as he walked to the bedroom. There he shot and killed Rachel with the third shot, then turned the gun on himself, killing himself with the fourth shot.

[this insight from khu: Abe was not a part of Granger's past at this point. He had been removed. I am speculating it was because he had died.]

+ I spent most of the night in the police station and morgue, talking to police and identifying the bodies. I spent the rest of the night grieving with my wife.

+ Mid-morning I received an urgent call from the hospital. Aaron was awake and insisted that we talk.

[again: insight from khu: Abe did not cause this chain of events. The first time Abe is involved is the next revision, where he changes everything]

+ Aaron was very weak and drugged, but he told an unbelievable story about time travel. I thought he was incoherent, and asked for evidence. He gave me a set of recordings which contained some amazing conversations between him and Abe. At first I was incredulous, then I was livid with him. I held him responsible for Rachel's death, and vented all my anger on him. He said he had to make it right, and explained how. After a while I calmed down and realized he was right. Besides, I had nothing to lose, and I might be able to save Rachel's life.

+ I went to the U-Haul storage facility, and found everything there just as Aaron described. Two boxes were there. I had gathered all the supplies I needed, and talked with Aaron by cell phone as I made sure everything was ready. I climbed into the box.

+ I emerged from the box hours later, but everything seemed the same. I stumbled down to the lobby. The clock on the wall said 5:00 pm. Aaron was right.

+ The first thing I did was call Aaron on his cell phone. But there was no answer. I didn't leave a message.

[note: the unanswered cell phone call? was it at 5 pm? This is my speculation]

+ I took a taxi home. I had seen Aaron earlier that day, but I knew that my wife had picked me up at work that day and we went straight to the event. So using the keys I had with me, I got my car, which was still in the garage.

+ I drove to where the party was, and saw people starting to arrive. I waited in the car for Aaron to show up. I was ready to warn him about the gunman. I slept.

[Here's the critical moment: Abe and Aaron have a conversation. Abe makes the suggestion, "Well at least take the shells out of the gun," which hadn't occurred to Aaron. THIS SUGGESTION CHANGES EVERYTHING FOR GRANGER]

+ I woke to see Aaron driving up. I started to get out of the car, but saw that he was with Abe. I suddenly felt very sick. I waited in the car.

+ Aaron and Abe went to a pickup truck, opened the passenger door, and removed the shotgun. I thought, what the hell? What are they doing? This can't be right. Then, to my amazement, they put the unloaded shotgun back in the truck. Again, what the hell? Why not just take the gun away?

+ The party went smoothly. No one was shot. The police were called with a complaint of a man brandishing a weapon, but he walked out the door and left before they arrived.

[speculation: Aaron hadn't quite gotten it right yet]

+ So it was 10:00, everyone was alive and healthy, and I hadn't even spoken with Aaron yet. I had to think about what I should do. Why was I even here?

+ I followed Aaron home and parked outside his house. I was too tired. I couldn't think. I slept.

+ At 2:00 am, Abe pulled up and went inside. Again, I suddenly felt very sick.

+ When they came out of the house, I followed them. They pulled over and stopped. I stopped. Aaron got out of the car. I couldn't think clearly enough to drive, so I jumped out of the car and ran. I stumbled as Aaron caught up with me. I saw Abe running toward me, and it was all wrong. Everything was out of place. I was out of place. Rachel was alive, and I did all of this for nothing. Darkness closed in on me.

That is all I remember.

[in Abe's first revision, he then freaks out and gets into his failsafe, unaware that Aaron is a double. He does not tell Aaron of his intention to use the failsafe.]

[note: with his trip. Granger 2 also duplicated his car keys and all the money in his wallet. Which could be a good money-making scheme if Abe and Aaron had enough space to store all the zombie Grangers]

Rob Y · Joined: 15 May 2005 Posts: 738

OK I've already spotted a couple of problems, but that's OK. I'll just go back in the box and post it fresh until I get it right.

psykomakia · Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 97

Don't take my criticisms personally.

Kara is on the cell phone. She had been the one to call the first time, and if it was someone else calling the second time, Aaron probably would have noticed the callerID.

If Granger is there to help Aaron, per Aaron's request, why does he run from them?

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hal9000 · Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:27 pm Post subject:

Rob Y wrote:
"My final conclusion is that Granger's past has become indeterminate
... which means that any answer you find is self-contradictory."

And isn't that what Abe and Aaron decided, according to the narrator when they are trying to figure out what Granger could have done? -- "the problem [of trying to deduce what he did] was recursive."

There was no way they could figure out what may have happened in the 'previous' reality, and neither can we.

At that time Abe decided that, whatever had happened or could have, he would set everything right with his Fail-Safe box. But when he played that trump card he found that the genie had already left the bottle, Pandora's demons had escaped the box, and Aaron had already started back earlier than Abe could then reach.

This movie has been as much fun to think and talk about as it was to watch three times! Thanks much, Mr Carruth!
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Rob Y · Joined: 15 May 2005 Posts: 738